EU: Verbot von Halbautomaten - Teil 1

[Musashi]

stimmt schon, aber der Ami-Zivilmarkt ist verdammt lukrativ. geld verdient man nicht am behördenmarkt sondern
dort. und diese nehmen es einem hersteller übel wenn er aus einer gun free zone kommt. wäre daher ratsam wenn
Glock, Hk sich engagieren würden...

[yoda]

@heimwerker
Die Hersteller haben alle eine Produktpalette mit rein sportlichen Waffen, sowas findet auch in der EU genug Abnehmer, und selbst wenns nicht viel hilft gilt der alte Spruch -> Hilfts nix, schadets nix!

[d-s]

Loose translation of translation:
"Tsunami of 130 dead in Paris forces us to forbid ownership of semiautomatic weapons in EU as fast as possible, before other people get killed. We have to do it such that no EU country can block these absolutely necessary changes"

Stupidity of EU politicians is unbelievable, they're stupid enough to get Europe destroyed.

[BigBen]

Das Friedensprojekt EU kann eines scheinbar am Besten: Unfrieden stiften.

[d-s]

IWO contacts politicians etc but otherwise waits for sport shooters and hunters as otherwise it would look like that "fools with weapons" always make unreasonable demands.

[Musashi]

Hier gibts pdf Vorlagen zB. ideal zum Austeilen im Verein: http://euaa.eu/

[Thule]

We have to do it such that no EU country can block these absolutely necessary changes

Every single country can block these "changes" if there really is a will to do so. Simply don't comply with the directive and not make it a national law. What do they want to do about it in Brussels? This is not (yet) the USA where they can send an agency they control to confiscate weapons or kill people of non complying states. Single mebmer states that had enough need to start dismantling this death bringing strangling "Union".

[savage3000]

Hi , Floody war so nett und hat damals eine Liste erstellt.
Welche wären da jetzt von einem Verbot betroffen? Wegen dem militärischem Aussehen warads:



Beretta Cx4 Storm, 9 mm Luger
Brügger & Thomet BT96 und BT96K Austria, 9 mm Luger
Brügger & Thomet SPP Austria, 9 mm Luger
FN BAR (Browning BAR II), .308 Winchester
H&K 630, .223 Remington (die Version ohne Mündungsfeuerdämpfer!)
H&K 770, .308 Winchester (die Version ohne Mündungsfeuerdämpfer!)
H&K SL6, .223 Remington
H&K SL7, .308 Winchester
H&K SLB 2000, .308 Winchester
Hera Arms The 15th, .223 Remington
Marlin Camp Carbine, .45 AUTO
Marlin Camp Carbine, 9 mm Luger
Merkel SR1, .308 Winchester
Oberland Arms OA10, .308 Winchester
Oberland Arms OA15, .223 Remington
Remington Woodmaster, .308 Winchester
Schmeisser AR-15, .223 Remington
SIG 550, .223 Remington, Kempf Zivil Match Austria (Guntec/Hiendlmayer)
Steyr AUG-Z, .223 Remington, 9 mm Luger
Steyr SPP, 9 mm Luger
Winchester 100, .308 Winchester

[SecondAmendment]

Loose translation of translation:
"Tsunami of 130 dead in Paris forces us to forbid ownership of semiautomatic weapons in EU as fast as possible, before other people get killed. We have to do it such that no EU country can block these absolutely necessary changes"

Stupidity of EU politicians is unbelievable, they're stupid enough to get Europe destroyed.

You really believe that guys who OWN a union with 500 000 000+ citizens are stupid? I just do not believe it. You should not believe it too.

How does the politics of fear work:
1. Enter a threat under the guise of good intentions
2. The average citizen approves the actions, every group which does not is criticized by mass media
3. The threat becomes real.
4. The average citizen is afraid.
5. The government heroically fights the threat.
6. The average citizen trusts in government, because this protects him from the threat.
7. The Government is pushing inconvenient laws, restricting freedom or even breaking human rights
8. The average citizen confers on them because the same government dealt with the threat.
9. The Government has benefited and gained confidence, stability and goes further.

In case the citizen begins to protest and something is not right - return to the first point.
Repeat until citizen will not have anything to say.

Every single country can block these "changes" if there really is a will to do so. Simply don't comply with the directive and not make it a national law. What do they want to do about it in Brussels? This is not (yet) the USA where they can send an agency they control to confiscate weapons or kill people of non complying states. Single mebmer states that had enough need to start dismantling this death bringing strangling "Union".

EU law is to be applied directly. The guys who print the money can just simply buy national police forces out or offer privileges to politicians who comply (see example of Poland and anti-polish ex-government Platforma Obywatelska + Tusk). There is also EUROGENDFOR which can collect guns like Gestapo did.

[Kehnra]

Jetzt mal eine dumme Frage, aber hat Oberland Arms überhaupt eine Militärische Sparte? Das sind doch eigentlich alles Waffen für Sportschützen oder? Oder wie ist das bei Hera und Schmeisser?

[swerdeofwar]

Jetzt mal eine dumme Frage, aber hat Oberland Arms überhaupt eine Militärische Sparte? Das sind doch eigentlich alles Waffen für Sportschützen oder? Oder wie ist das bei Hera und Schmeisser?

Ich denk wo gelesen zu haben, das OA auch VA AR15 herstellt.

[Thule]

The law regarding guns is still a guideline and not a directive(my bad, used the wrong process myself) So whatever the tools in Brussels put out still has to be put into national law. Eurogendfor is a joke and owns it's infamous "status" to conspiracy theorists. Same that they could move in and collect in or enforce whatever. They can't do shit besides putting on a show at joint trainings and absorb funds.

[Yukon]

Ich habe jetzt einmal das Tool der "Rückmeldung zu Legislativvorschlägen" https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/?fuseaction=feedback&docId=3085376 bemüht und bin gespannt, ob sich jemand von denen, oder deren Helferleins, die Mühe einer Antwort macht, ich rechne ja nicht damit.
Andererseits sollen deren Posteingänge ruhig mit Kommentaren empörter Bürger übergehen.
Es stimmt, wenn die Dummen fleißig werden, dann wirds gefährlich, wobei ich mir bezüglich deren "Dummheit" nicht sicher bin, ich unterstelle eiskalte und widerwärtige Absicht.

[A.I. AW]

Für mich stellt sich eigentlich nur die EINE Frage!

Was glaubt ihr, wird beispielsweise bei AR15 (OA u.Ä.) in Zukunft

a, der Zugang schwer bis unmöglich weil verboten
oder
b, wird sogar der Altbestand ebenfalls eingezogen?

[SecondAmendment]

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