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bye bye SCAR
- snakedocter
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US Special Operation Command storniert das FN MK16 SCAR
In a surprising reversal that follows years of effort to design a one-of-a-kind commando rifle, the U.S. military’s Special Operations Command has abruptly decided to abandon the new SOCOM Combat Assault rifle – the “SCAR,” as the rifle is commonly known – in favor of previously-fielded carbines.
Details provided exclusively to Military.com reveal that SOCOM, the Tampa-based command that oversees the training and equipping of SEALs, Green Berets, Air Force Special Tactics Teams and Marine SOC groups, will stop purchasing the 5.56 mm Mk-16 Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle and might require all units who now have them to turn the new weapons back into the armory.
“The Mk-16 does not provide enough of a performance advantage over the M-4 to justify spending USSOCOM’s limited … funds when competing priorities are taken into consideration,” officials at USSOCOM said in an email response to questions from Military.com. “Currently, three of USSOCOM’s four components receive the 5.56 mm M-4 from their parent service as a service common equipment item.”
A couple things to note here, so far SOCOM has purchased 850 Mk-16s and 750 Mk-17s — way below their original requirement. The weird thing to consider here is that the requirement was for a 5.56 and that was what was competed. Now they’re buying a 7.62 that has no written requirement document attached to it.
Further, the SEALs are going to be particularly in the hurt locker on this one since the Navy doesn’t buy their guns, SOCOM does. I hear that it was Naval Special Warfare that really pushed this program and that it was the USASOC that basically killed it. More of the Mk-16s were fielded to SEALs than any other unit within SOCOM.
Also of note: I hear that the services who have them will have to hand back their Mk-16s when they’re back from deployment and pick up their old SOPMOD M4s or HK-416s. So so a final goodbye to your SCAR-16 when you’re back from The Box.
Two well-informed industry analysts tell me that SCAR-maker FNH-USA will try to sell SOCOM on the idea of a Mk-17 common receiver that can be turned into a 5.56 or other caliber by switching out part of the lower receiver. So FNH-USA is positioning itself to rescue the Mk-16 through the Mk-17. But there’s no indication that SOCOM is biting.
There will certainly be more on this story as it develops, but I wanted Kit Up! readers to be the first to know.
Read more: http://kitup.military.com/2010/06/socom ... z0s8eKmnbj
In a surprising reversal that follows years of effort to design a one-of-a-kind commando rifle, the U.S. military’s Special Operations Command has abruptly decided to abandon the new SOCOM Combat Assault rifle – the “SCAR,” as the rifle is commonly known – in favor of previously-fielded carbines.
Details provided exclusively to Military.com reveal that SOCOM, the Tampa-based command that oversees the training and equipping of SEALs, Green Berets, Air Force Special Tactics Teams and Marine SOC groups, will stop purchasing the 5.56 mm Mk-16 Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle and might require all units who now have them to turn the new weapons back into the armory.
“The Mk-16 does not provide enough of a performance advantage over the M-4 to justify spending USSOCOM’s limited … funds when competing priorities are taken into consideration,” officials at USSOCOM said in an email response to questions from Military.com. “Currently, three of USSOCOM’s four components receive the 5.56 mm M-4 from their parent service as a service common equipment item.”
A couple things to note here, so far SOCOM has purchased 850 Mk-16s and 750 Mk-17s — way below their original requirement. The weird thing to consider here is that the requirement was for a 5.56 and that was what was competed. Now they’re buying a 7.62 that has no written requirement document attached to it.
Further, the SEALs are going to be particularly in the hurt locker on this one since the Navy doesn’t buy their guns, SOCOM does. I hear that it was Naval Special Warfare that really pushed this program and that it was the USASOC that basically killed it. More of the Mk-16s were fielded to SEALs than any other unit within SOCOM.
Also of note: I hear that the services who have them will have to hand back their Mk-16s when they’re back from deployment and pick up their old SOPMOD M4s or HK-416s. So so a final goodbye to your SCAR-16 when you’re back from The Box.
Two well-informed industry analysts tell me that SCAR-maker FNH-USA will try to sell SOCOM on the idea of a Mk-17 common receiver that can be turned into a 5.56 or other caliber by switching out part of the lower receiver. So FNH-USA is positioning itself to rescue the Mk-16 through the Mk-17. But there’s no indication that SOCOM is biting.
There will certainly be more on this story as it develops, but I wanted Kit Up! readers to be the first to know.
Read more: http://kitup.military.com/2010/06/socom ... z0s8eKmnbj
Can't save the world? Then prepare for its END!
- pointi2009
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na ok wenn denen soviele SCAR´s übrig bleiben, könnens mir gerne eine davon schenken
Serenity Prayer from Niebuhr: "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and wisdom to know the difference."
courage to change the things I can,
and wisdom to know the difference."
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Schade um die schöne Waffe
Es bewahrheitet sich der Spruch, den mal ein Militärangehöriger (glaube ich) abgegeben hat:
"A hundred years from now, when we are fighting battles on Mars, our troops will be carrying M16's and M9's and bitching that they jam in the Martian dust."
♠ This home does not call 911 'till after we have called 1911 ♠
"A Russian Mosin is more or less a spear that happens to fire bullets."
"A Russian Mosin is more or less a spear that happens to fire bullets."
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Schade drum. Bleibt abzuwarten ob sie die MK17 behalten.
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tincans hat geschrieben:Schade drum. Bleibt abzuwarten ob sie die MK17 behalten.
wird sich derzeit alles auf die Mk17 verlagern,denn AFG benötigt weitreichenden waffen,da dort kaum unter 500/600m geschossen wird
aber der Mk16 ist geschichte und wird als Mk16s ( semi auto ) der verkaufsschlager,zumal FN schon in europa anklopft
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snakedocter hat geschrieben:aber der Mk16 ist geschichte und wird als Mk16s ( semi auto ) der verkaufsschlager,zumal FN schon in europa anklopft
im IM sind´s da schwerhörig
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woodchuck hat geschrieben:snakedocter hat geschrieben:aber der Mk16 ist geschichte und wird als Mk16s ( semi auto ) der verkaufsschlager,zumal FN schon in europa anklopft
im IM sind´s da schwerhörig
das sowieso
dachte da eher an italy,france,belguim,germany...... halt den rest von old und new europe,ausser england und austria
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snakedocter hat geschrieben:
das sowieso
dachte da eher an italy,france,belguim,germany...... halt den rest von old und new europe,ausser england und austria
Re: bye bye SCAR
Hat HK gutes Lobbying gemacht und sie nehmen jetzt die Sparvariante „Minimum Upgrade Package“?
Oder buy american mit Bushmaster ACR? Gleich in 6,8 SPC?
Oder buy american mit Bushmaster ACR? Gleich in 6,8 SPC?
Re: bye bye SCAR
wie ich es verstanden habe, werden als ersatz wieder sopmod m4 und hk416 ausgegeben
kaliber bleibt .223
kaliber bleibt .223
Re: bye bye SCAR
jetzt wo sie die neue 5,56 zaubermuni gekauft haben (siehe eines von snakes älteren postings in waffen oder gear news) werden sie sich bis auf weiteres hüten auf ein anderes kaliber umzusteigen. außerdem sind die USA immer noch in der NATO, und da ein neues sturmgewehrkaliber durchboxen könnte schwierig werden!
Abusus non tollit usum - Mißbrauch hebt den (ge)rechten Gebrauch nicht auf
Re: bye bye SCAR
BigBen hat geschrieben: außerdem sind die USA immer noch in der NATO, und da ein neues sturmgewehrkaliber durchboxen könnte schwierig werden!
wenn ein neues kaliber kommt, dann nur von amis-der rest zieht dann früher oder später nach
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woodchuck hat geschrieben:BigBen hat geschrieben: außerdem sind die USA immer noch in der NATO, und da ein neues sturmgewehrkaliber durchboxen könnte schwierig werden!
wenn ein neues kaliber kommt, dann nur von amis-der rest zieht dann früher oder später nach
genau
aber 6,8 wird es nie
die grendel hat gute chancen,aber auch eher nur als SPR/DMR
bleibt abzuwarten was in den nächsten 10-15 jahren in AFG noch so passiert
gerüchteküche ist ja am brodeln
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Re: bye bye SCAR
snakedocter hat geschrieben:bleibt abzuwarten was in den nächsten 10-15 jahren in AFG noch so passiert
ob sie sich den spass noch so lange leisten wollen?
die gerüchte über die riesigen bodenschätze kenne ich ja, aber trotzdem?
Re: bye bye SCAR
woodchuck hat geschrieben:die gerüchte über die riesigen bodenschätze kenne ich ja, aber trotzdem?
Wenn es nur Gerüchte wären, wär die amerikanische Army nicht dort